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	Subject - Trouble in troubleshooting greenelectric Hi I read this forum as often as I can, Im glad to read ablut other fellow wire guys. My dilema is not a new one but still a trouble some: I was on a service call in a 2 story home 20 yrs old. The problem was that a switch in his garage stopped working. Notthing else, just the switch, I go there and check from end to begining. Switch properly wired check, light fixture checked, no power from the line side coming in yet all breakers are working (checked), all neutrals are nicely screwed, and no sub panel to go to, no j-box in attic. and this was the only issue electrically in the house. Any ideas? Welcome... Thanks for all the good times.. JimmyDee You probably are going to have to find the fixture or box that feeds the light fixture or switch. More than likely it has a wire that has come out of a wire nut or something to that nature. Jim Pierre Belarge If the house is 20 years old, the switch in the garage may be on the GFCI protected circuit. Check the GFCI and make sure it is on. The usual places it was installed back then are: Garage, outside receptacle, or first floor bathroom. Pierre lctrc789 I have to agree with both posts here either a GFI has tripped and you need to find that, or the line side of the switch, you must first find where the switch is getting its hot feed at and see why it isn't hot to the switch. good luck and keep us posted. side-cut1 I just had something similar on friday. Check the recepts or switches that are working on that circuit. I had a hot fall out of the stab in the back of the receptacle that causes the rest not to work obviously. Sometimes it's the most obvious things that get overlooked when trouble-shooting older homes. Ihope you find the problem. greenelectric Its great to read your options. I have a date with this house tommorow, I'll be back with the outcome of it. Many thanks you guys. greenelectric Hello, I finally was able to fix the problem in this garage. It took a awhile to go back because the customer was out of town, which gave me enough time to think of other ways of going into it, but it was much simpler. It was a matter of a buried j-box under some of the old loose insulation material that was used decades back. It was difficult to find because the attic had some flooring which covered the incoming circuit cables that met in the j-box, plus the thick layer of insulation. I want to thank all of you guys for the help. AJ kbsparky You have stumbled across the main reason why junction boxes are to remain ACCESSIBLE, instead of being "buried" ... CooCooMike And a good reason for smoke detectors. stedder Burried splices are the enemy!!