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Subject - NEC required?
veganfan From what I have been told the local community does not have to adopt the NEC. If this is true then are there no required regulations? I mean can one state say it is ok not to have any grounding means at all? Can they run wires along the outside of the wall? If this does not confuse me enough I have also been told by work & my instructor than even if NEC is adopted in my local government it still may not apply to my work place because it is an industrialized corporation and they are allowed to use a different method as OSHA or their own safety regulations. These different policies may not meet the requirements of the NEC.

If all of this is true than what protection do we have? I thought the NEC was supposed to be a required minimum for all?
JimmyDee I'm not sure what the state of Indiana does or doesn't do but an industry that blatantly refused to follow the NEC is just asking for liability problems if someone gets hurt. Insurance companies will put the clamps to a company also. I know for a fact that in Michigan, the NEC covers all buildings no mater what they are used for.
Jim
JimmyDee
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Sec. 4. Section 90.2 is amended to read as follows: (A) Covered. This code covers: Installations of electric conductors and
equipment within or on Class 1 and Class 2 structures, including industrialized building systems, and other premises wiring covered rules of the Commission in this title.
Class 1 and Class 2 Structures covered by the Indiana Residential Code shall be made to comply with the provisions of this
code, or the electrical provisions of the Indiana Residential Code (675 IAC 14).
(B) Not Covered. This code does not cover:
(1) Installations in ships, watercraft, railway rolling stock, aircraft, automotive vehicles, and buildings or structures that are
not Class 1 or Class 2 structures.
(2) Installations underground in mines.
(3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, transmission, or distribution of power used exclusively for
operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and communication purposes.
(4) Installations of communication equipment under the exclusive control of communication utilities, located outdoors or in
building spaces used exclusively for such installations.
(5) Installations, including associated lighting under the exclusive control of electric utilities for the purpose of
communication, or metering; or for the generation, control, transformation, transmission, and distribution of electric energy
located in buildings used exclusively by utilities for such purposes or located outdoors on property owned or leased by the
utility or on public highways, streets, roads, etc., or outdoors on private property by established rights such as easements.
(6) Installations of electrical wiring, equipment, and devices, factory installed in manufactured homes under the authority of
the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).
re Prevention and Building Safety Commission; 675 IAC 17-1.6-4; filed Aug 14, 2002, 4:20 p.m.: 26 IR 16)

This is a direct quote from the State of Indiana Electrical Code. It looks to me that they have the authority to enforce compliance. I'm assuming that you are talking about Indiana because of the location you have in your profile.
Jim
Ryan_J The NEC is generally adopted as a law. Having said that, it depepnds on how your area adopts it, meaning at the state level or at the local level. Basically speaking, there is a chain of command. State law cannot circumvent Federal law. City law cannot circumvent State law. In other words, your city cannot make it legal to commit murder, because that would circumvent Federal law. Your state cannot make it legal to commit murder, because that also would circumvent Federal law. If your state adopts the NEC at the state level, your city could not legally lessen any of the state law's requirements, including the NEC. Your city could ammend at the city level to make the NEC a more strict document, but they could not make it a more lenient one. :)
cs409 NEC is not nor will it ever be a book of laws! Now, the Feds could take it and pass it as such, providing it goes thur congress(remember they have 2 houses and never get along)....the state could do the same! how the NEC is put into use/inforced is to bypass the process of creating the NEC as LAW. it stays in NEC CODE form and is adapted into use by the Feds someday! but now its adapted into use by some states. they just pass an electrical bill(thur both houses) and in this bill, they say they will use the NEC to set the standards for electrical work! now in states that havent done this, most cities have adapted the NEC to set there building standards by...how do they get away with this? the state u live in passed laws that give cities the rights to set ordanaces(sorta like a law!)as to what can and can't be done within there area.... so now u get the picture!! Its sorta like the EPA!!! it has no law writing abilities, but after some time, they sorta wrote and inforce their on laws! Lets Hope the NEC stays just as it is and never becomes like the EPA
JimmyDee
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Hope the NEC stays just as it is and never becomes like the EPA

I think we are well on our way to this. There is some good from it and some bad. When we kill a few more people and burn down a few more buildings because of bad electrical work, it will help usher in the NEC as a bureaucracy of the feds.
cs409 I for one never want to see the NEC become part of our Federal Goverment! just keep it as a set of codes/standards for electrical work....
aussiesparky Oh it can be confusing, in my state DU our state legislators legislated an electrical safety act. This piece of state legislation then has regulations under it, sorta like sub legislation. One of these regulation sets is the installation regulations. Now these regulations reference our NEC [AS/NZS3000:2000] so by this reference they now become a compulsory standard that must be complied with. When the electrical standard is updated [AS/NZS3000] it does not come into force until the governor in council has approved the updated installation regulations.
URL is www.ocei.vic.gov.au
veganfan
quote:
Originally posted by JimmyDee

quote:
Sec. 4. Section 90.2 is amended to read as follows: (A) Covered. This code covers: Installations of electric conductors and
equipment within or on Class 1 and Class 2 structures, including industrialized building systems, and other premises wiring covered rules of the Commission in this title.
Class 1 and Class 2 Structures covered by the Indiana Residential Code shall be made to comply with the provisions of this
code, or the electrical provisions of the Indiana Residential Code (675 IAC 14).
(B) Not Covered. This code does not cover:
(1) Installations in ships, watercraft, railway rolling stock, aircraft, automotive vehicles, and buildings or structures that are
not Class 1 or Class 2 structures.
(2) Installations underground in mines.
(3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, transmission, or distribution of power used exclusively for
operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and communication purposes.
(4) Installations of communication equipment under the exclusive control of communication utilities, located outdoors or in
building spaces used exclusively for such installations.
(5) Installations, including associated lighting under the exclusive control of electric utilities for the purpose of
communication, or metering; or for the generation, control, transformation, transmission, and distribution of electric energy
located in buildings used exclusively by utilities for such purposes or located outdoors on property owned or leased by the
utility or on public highways, streets, roads, etc., or outdoors on private property by established rights such as easements.
(6) Installations of electrical wiring, equipment, and devices, factory installed in manufactured homes under the authority of
the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).
re Prevention and Building Safety Commission; 675 IAC 17-1.6-4; filed Aug 14, 2002, 4:20 p.m.: 26 IR 16)

This is a direct quote from the State of Indiana Electrical Code. It looks to me that they have the authority to enforce compliance. I'm assuming that you are talking about Indiana because of the location you have in your profile.
Jim

Where did you get this info? I spent two days just trying to find out which NEC Indiana has adopted and had to finally use Mike Holt's web site to figure this out. I have probably made a dozen calls to three major cities with no answer is it like it is some big secret around here.
Any info on how to get regulations is helpful.
JimmyDee Google search. "Electrical Code, Indiana" Jumps right out at you. Be sure to use the google search right here on the electricalknowledge page. It helps pay the bills. Here is a PDF file that has the entire bill.
http://www.state.in.us/legislative/iac/T06750/A00170.PDF
Jim