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Subject - condos
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craig
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I am currently wiring two attached condos. Everything is seperated but there is a drilled well. My question is: Who pays for the punp? And what if the person whos panel the pump is on moves and shuts off the power? I hope that there is a simple answer. It isn't like a duplex where there is a third panel, or is it?
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rabbitgun
| I would send an RFI to the contractor and have him/her get clarification from the owner. If it was mine I would want a house panel for the common load. Another way may be to use an E-mon type CT meter for the load. I think this is the owners call but I would get it in writing.
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kbsparky
| To be fair, that pump should be on a "house" meter, and panel, as well as any common area site lighting that might be required. The condo association should foot the bill.
IF that seems to be too much consider this: I recently installed a sub-meter on a rental property that had a new deep well installed, and also supplied water to 3 neighboring houses. That tenant swore that the new water pump was running up his electric bill big time. So, we installed the sub-meter, and the owners agreed to reimburse him for 3/4 of the amount of the usage. 
Turned out that he got about $10 a year back from the owners, and his high bill was due to the excessive use of portable space heaters. Once he realized that the owners were not going to fall for his antics, he cut back on the wasteful practices and his bill dropped accordingly. That well pump by itself used less than 100 kWh per year.
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craig
| thanks for the replys. Once these two condos are sold, the owners take over,there is no assn. Maybe I'll instal another meter just for the pump and the buyers can split the bill. Any other sugestions?
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kbsparky
| IF there is no condo association, then who takes care of the common ground areas? There has to be someone or something responsible for the maintenance and repair of such things like that well pump and its associated pressure tank, sewage or septic tank, parking lot, access roads, etc 
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stedder
| If I'm not mistaken, in my area it is illegal for an apt or condo etc. to not have a landlord / house panel.
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kbsparky
| Maybe the definition of the word Condo is being misused here 
Sounds more like what we would call a Townhouse or a Duplex rather than a Condo.
The problems here are the use of a common well for more than one property. Unless there are legal provisions made in the deed(s) of said properties, without a common area association or landlord entity to handle such issues, there will be hell to pay when that submerged water pump gets struck by lightning, and needs to be replaced 
While a "house" meter will initially solve the issue of who pays for the electricity to operate the well pump itself, those other issues will eventually have to be addressed.
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craig
| WELL, (pun intended) I just finished speaking with the contractor and after much deliberation he has decided to drop two pumps down the same hole. The well guy said that that would be no problem so my problem is solved. Thanks for the help.
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kbsparky
| Well, well (pun intended also), sounds like they have got things under control here. It may "well" be that the extra cost for that additional pump will prevent a multitude of problems later down the road.
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