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millspgh
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  10:58:39  Show Profile  Visit millspgh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I am giving a customer some different options on a project where his shopping center sign was never wired. I found the feeder conduit to be broken under the parking lot. It is a long way from the electric room to the sign, maybe 400-500'. There is a light pole 25' away from the sign, the lights are single phase 208 volts. Do they make a transformer I can put between the 2 to go from 208 down to 120 without having a neutral on the primary? Can the transformer produce a neutral from a ground?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Paul Miller
Heritage Electrical Services

rabbitgun
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  11:32:57  Show Profile  Visit rabbitgun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A darn good question and have a very similar situation right now.

Here is what we found:

277v lighting feeding the lot poles. They then fed a single phase transformer to go from 277 to 120 for the sign. They bonded one side of the secondary to the grounding conductor to create the neutral but I did not like it so I have recommended that the ballasts for the sign be changed out to 277v and eliminate the transformer.

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rewire
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  12:06:34  Show Profile  Visit rewire's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rabbitgun

A darn good question and have a very similar situation right now.

Here is what we found:

277v lighting feeding the lot poles. They then fed a single phase transformer to go from 277 to 120 for the sign. They bonded one side of the secondary to the grounding conductor to create the neutral but I did not like it so I have recommended that the ballasts for the sign be changed out to 277v and eliminate the transformer.

they have correctly installed the transformer.XO must be bonded on a seperatly derived system the bond does not create the neutral.
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rabbitgun
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  12:16:39  Show Profile  Visit rabbitgun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rewire

XO must be bonded on a seperatly derived system the bond does not create the neutral.



Agree but bonded to what kind of ground? Just the grounding conductor available?

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rewire
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  13:32:49  Show Profile  Visit rewire's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rabbitgun

quote:
Originally posted by rewire

XO must be bonded on a seperatly derived system the bond does not create the neutral.



Agree but bonded to what kind of ground? Just the grounding conductor available?

you can also drive a ground rod at the transformer and bond the neutral XO to the new ground system.
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RS377
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  19:39:37  Show Profile  Visit RS377's Homepage  Reply with Quote
We are required to run a ufer ground at all pole lights, so that would be available.

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----Full time contractor May 18th, 2007
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rabbitgun
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  21:19:10  Show Profile  Visit rabbitgun's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by RS377

We are required to run a ufer ground at all pole lights, so that would be available.



By whom?

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RS377
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  22:46:19  Show Profile  Visit RS377's Homepage  Reply with Quote
San Jose, Ca.

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bytemylobster
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Posted - 03/31/2010 :  10:36:53  Show Profile  Visit bytemylobster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I would just change the lamp ballasts to multi-tapped to match the voltage at the lamp location.
If the feed was broken under the lot, I would use a tracer to locate the break and repair it.
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