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Subject - AFCIGFCI FOR X-MAS PACKAGE?
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ikayla
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On an xmas package branch circuit where a receptacle falls in a bedroom and a recptacle falls in the garage, do i protect with GFCI or AFCI breaker to protect the circuit? when garrage rectacles must be GFCI protected unless dedicated and the bedroom outlet receptacle must be AFCI protected? Looking forward for your responce IKAYLA
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stedder
| Split 'em up and there won't be a question!
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Wirenutz
| well it would seem reasonable to protect the branch via afci, and install a gfi in the garage would'nt it?
~W~
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Ryan_J
| AFCI breaker, GFCI receptacle.
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lctrc789
| I am kind of confused on what a Xmas package is? But if you have one circuit using it on the bedroom you must install the breaker as an AFCI and then install a GFCI recpt in the garage, is all I can figure out here.
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Electricman
| ikayla, I protect the entire branch circuit on a AFCI circuit breaker and install GFCI receptacles in the garage. Sometimes we even put one of these candle outlets in a bathroom as long as its more than 3ft from the tub and of course it is also GFCI protected. We have been doing alot of these lately my guys arent to fond of all the extra work that goes into the install but hey it pays the bills right
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ikayla
| ELECTRICMAN i have done the same (putting GFCI receptacle) in the garage on the xmas package protected by AFCI breaker. the problem i had was i could not split the GFCI receptacle (split receptacle)so i left the receptacle in garrage (GFCI) receptacle hot, the home owner did not want the receptacle hot all the time.the only way i was able to fix and pass inspection was to pull 2nd HR 122 just for the garrage then i used a buoble pole switch.protected the receptacles in the beds with AFCI breaker and garrage with GFCI breaker.this way i was able to protect both areas with propper protection and kept all receptacles split. this of course made the package more costly for the home owner but did not have a problem paying the extra
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Electricman
| ikayla, When we wire these circuits we will put single not duplex recepts under each window unless its a double window than a duplex is installed but as far as the garage the first device (usually 2 in the garage)will be a GFCI duplex recept since there is no single recpts available in GFCI. The second device will than be a single, So basically the circuit goes something like this feed to switch, switch leg to 1st recpt than daisy chained throughout the rest of the outlets, when the circuit reaches the garage the 1st will be line side feed on the Gfci than load side to the next recpt(s). Does this help or am I confusing you more? As you can tell this is a dedicated circuit just for those little 7 watt candles everyone seems to like so much here lately. The outlet(s) that service the garage circuit(210. 52G) are on their own circuit and have nothing to do with these candle / Christmas recpts. Did you have a seperate recpt in the garage or were you trying to satisfy 210.52 G with this candle recpt? If you did I can see why you where red tagged, If not I dunno why it would have flunked, because the candle recpts are an extra.
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Electricman
| By the way did yall know that the X in Xmas is the Greek for Christ
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ikayla
| thanks electricman responce was very helpful.in my area the xmas package is a duplex recpt(s) split (half hot,half switched).this has nothing to do with (210.52G)this article is alredy provided for,the x-mas packge recpt in garrage was as you said an extra. the problem i had was because the recpt on the package is duplex(split) there was no way for me to put GFCI recpt in garrage and split that recpt,thats why i had to do the circuit via last post.before 210.12B i was able to use GFCI breaker to protect the entire circuit. thanks for the reply hope to here from you soon.IKAYLA
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kbsparky
| On large houses, we suggest using a multi-pole lighting contactor, controlled by a switch, timer, or photocell. Just run a 2-wire "switch leg" back to the contactor from each circuit in the house that has outlets under the windows. Don't matter whether they are GFI or AFI protected, nor whether they are on the "appliance" circuits or not.
This keeps all the outlets on their respective circuits. 
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Electricman
| There is also a low voltage option for this install I dont remember the web site though gotta do a google, but I remember there where alot of options to this type of lighting.
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shocky
| and the mas is for mass.
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